“How have we done such a bad job teaching that we are so stuck on these verses and how to interpret them?” I think about this a lot.
To support your point further on Rome, Alice Evans, PhD who writes “The Great Gender Divergence,” just published a piece this morning about the differences in status and expectations between patriarchal and hierarchical societies and egalitarian ones, citing Rome’s institutionalization of gender deference.
“It's hard to believe that God created women and men in God's image and gave them the same responsibilities in the beginning before sin and that in the end after sin we are again aiming at the same future, yet that never comes into play in the kingdom now.” Love these points, but this one left me curious:
When I was at FLI being taught RBMW, I always heard the teaching go that “through Christ, we can be redeemed *into the fulfillment of* our God-given gender roles and (as the gaslighting went), un-upset by hierarchical differences.”
My question then: Have you heard complementarians sight redemption of equality between men and women in the end times using Rev. 22:5? Or are you using that passage to argue, “well, how do you explain this?”
So many good things here, Lisa. Thanks for taking the time to write, wearying as these conversations may be.
The definition of prophesy has been a bit cloudy for me and I found the way you explained it to be very helpful! Your thoughts and insights into these scriptures are how I discovered you in the first place and I’m always grateful for your deep dives on women’s roles in the church.
“How have we done such a bad job teaching that we are so stuck on these verses and how to interpret them?” I think about this a lot.
To support your point further on Rome, Alice Evans, PhD who writes “The Great Gender Divergence,” just published a piece this morning about the differences in status and expectations between patriarchal and hierarchical societies and egalitarian ones, citing Rome’s institutionalization of gender deference.
“It's hard to believe that God created women and men in God's image and gave them the same responsibilities in the beginning before sin and that in the end after sin we are again aiming at the same future, yet that never comes into play in the kingdom now.” Love these points, but this one left me curious:
When I was at FLI being taught RBMW, I always heard the teaching go that “through Christ, we can be redeemed *into the fulfillment of* our God-given gender roles and (as the gaslighting went), un-upset by hierarchical differences.”
My question then: Have you heard complementarians sight redemption of equality between men and women in the end times using Rev. 22:5? Or are you using that passage to argue, “well, how do you explain this?”
So many good things here, Lisa. Thanks for taking the time to write, wearying as these conversations may be.
Lisa, thank you for taking us along on this deep dive! So helpful!
The definition of prophesy has been a bit cloudy for me and I found the way you explained it to be very helpful! Your thoughts and insights into these scriptures are how I discovered you in the first place and I’m always grateful for your deep dives on women’s roles in the church.
Well said Lisa. I think this also puts into contention Ephesians 5:21-33. Hoping you can clarify that a bit more for me.